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My usual habit is to post infrequently with stories or chapters, but I think that for the next little while, I'll post more frequently in between chapters. Read, comment, lurk, whatever floats your boat.

I had a conversation with a visiting friend the other day about the movies I'd been watching, and she jumped all over me about Twilight, which I very soon gathered she disapproved of massively.  She had quite a lot to say on the subject from the Twilight books being one long Mary Sue to all pop-culture examinations of the vampire theme being flawed because we project our modern-day conceits onto an ancient myth that was created in the days when people were much less educated and much more simple in their outlooks and really did believe in demons and vampires as a legitimate explanations for the travails that befell them.

I tried in vain to point out that all kinds of modern stories have their grounding in myths, legends or folk tales. Each generation seems to want to explore the same themes over and over again with new and modern takes on them, but... I was not actually permitted to speak. This was one of those conversations where no give and take discussion was allowed. Each time I tried to say something, I never got more than half a sentence out before being interrupted and lectured some more on how foolish, trivial and boring my latest interest was. Paragraph after paragraph of passionate denunciation poured out of her, in her efforts to steamroller the subject of vampires as flat as possible. As soon as I realized that we weren't actually going to have a discussion, and that absolutely no input was going to be required or welcomed from me except perhaps an eventual apology for being interested in vampires, I waited for her to pause for breath and then quickly changed the subject so that we could talk about something else.

I swear, when I introduced the subject, I was not gushing or monologuing. I'm very sensitive about not boring people with long speeches on the things I'm interested in. I don't appreciate it when other people do that to me, you see. Usually I throw a topic out there along with whether I'm pro or con and then gauge the level of interest before I pursue it any further.

Unfortunately, however, this was one of those situations where we would have had an argument and gotten mad at each other if I had responded in anything like the same vein.

I remember going through something similar with my father when we went to see that last Star Trek movie.  I loved it and he hated it. Oh, how he hated it. He hated it because it was, among other things, 'juvenile and unrealistic'. In vain, I attempted to point out that science fiction and realism were all elbows and knees in bed (okay, I didn't put it quite that way, but you get my drift), and if one went to see a Hollywood blockbuster that was part of the Star Trek franchise and expected something mature, serious and realistic, one was destined to be disappointed. But a discussion wasn't possible. His disappointment with the movie was as big as my enjoyment of it, so there was really no point in we two discussing it.  I have since found other people to discuss the movie with, but I don't think he has because everyone we know liked it.

Anyway, what bothers me about this kind of behavior is a lack of live and let live. If I don't like something that someone else likes, the last thing I'm going to do is try to ruin it for them or belittle their choice. To what end? Am I saving them from some horrible consequence of their actions? Am I improving my relationship with them? Am I helping them to build character in the face of adversity by trying to suck the joy out of something that gives them pleasure? Does it somehow empower me to express my opinion to someone I call a friend in a derisive and tactless way?

To clarify, I'm not against discussion or debate. In fact, I'm quite interested in discussing issues with people whose viewpoints and opinions are different from my own. But both parties should be respectful and should let the other person speak, too. I'm not talking about a fight or an argument where two people are feeling antagonistic toward each other and each person is trying to defeat the other. I'm talking about friends or family members (the kind that like each other) being able to say to each other, "I tried para-sailing the other day and I really liked it," or "I'm thinking about getting a cat," or "I like gladiator movies," without their good friend expressing contempt and disgust vehemently at length while refusing to allow the original speaker to get a word in edgewise.

It's also not like I've never done this myself. I've done exactly the same thing in the past (in my youth), without questioning or being fully cognizant of my motives in sneering at someone's interest or opinion. I know I did it more than once. All I remember about how I felt while doing it was that my focus was entirely on ME and MY clever, barbed point-by-point condemnation. I did actually feel sort of powerful while doing it. Eventually, however, there came an occasion when I noticed the somewhat crestfallen expression on the face of my friend/victim, and became aware that in my zeal to display my cleverness, I had just trampled all over their happiness in their hobby or passtime. I remember feeling ashamed of myself and regretful that I had gone so far and said so much. After all, I could have said it differently and much more briefly; for example, "No thank-you, I truly don't enjoy fruitcake but I'm happy for you that you love it and that you have some to enjoy."

The girl with whom I had this vampire 'conver-slapdown-tion' is an otherwise kind, helpful and compassionate person who is about 8 times smarter than me, and in fact, anyone else I know. In fact, I honestly think she's brilliant. She knows a great deal about an astonishing variety of subjects, and she has lots of opinions. I'm not mad at her and my enthusiasm for Twilight remains undimmed. We've had give and take discussions before, so I know she's capable of it. I guess there was something about the subject of vampires that makes it a hot-button subject for her. I'm certainly not going to say the 'V'-word in her presence again for at least a year!

I'm confident that one day she'll notice mid-rant what she's doing and she'll ask herself why she needs to excoriate someone for having an opinion, hobby or interest that is different from hers. I may or may not bring it up the next time I talk to her, if an opportunity presents itself. This experience reminded me of a mistake I used to make.

Live and let live, people! It's okay for us to disagree with each other. But leave the hate at the door. It never makes things better.
 

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I'm definitely not a fan of Twilight, either, but that stems from the rather alarming misogyny, rather than the vampires, although I do find the sparkling rather amusing). Nevertheless, I wholeheartedly agree with you about a "live and let live" approach being far better than angrily screaming at our friends for no good reason.

Oddly enough, that seems to be the problem with the Twilight fandom: everyone either is a rabid fan (actual quote: "hoo DONT loooooove twilight....? all pepole shood looove it the ones who dont..... well..... i`m sure you will EVENTUALLY find how much it ROX but if not gawd have mursie on yoe soul"), or a rabid hater (actual quote: "twilght is for mindles bimbos like yourself and others"). I'm inclined to agree more with the arguments of the haters than the fans, but that's just the problem: so-called "arguments" or "discussions" are usually nothing but poorly-spelled messes of vitrolic antagonism and name-calling.

I'm glad that there are some people left, on either side of the issue, that can sit down and calmly discuss the issue, instead of the online equivalent of grabbing each other by the shirt and yelling.

There's a comic strip in the newspaper that I love called Pearls Before Swine. A direct quote from yesterday's strip: "The Internet was specifically invented so that living beings everywhere could be anonymously rude to one another."

I used to read the comments left for stories in yahoo news, but now I don't because it's so depressing. It seems as though an awful lot of people need to lash themselves into a foaming state of hate over quite trivial things. Why do these people take it personally when another human being makes an entertainment choice based on their own individual likes and dislikes? If they have a lot of trapped anger that needs to splat all over people, surely they can find a worthy cause to channel their energies into.

I think that Twilight is the hugest Mary Sue/Gary Stu story of all times, but I find it very entertaining. Am I a fan? Well, I read the books and saw the first movie and want to see the other movies, too, but I don't consider myself a rabid fan.

This is another great icon - he looks so lovely!

Hi Lee! I've got quite an awesome collection of Giane icons now. I have thrown away countless hours of my life scouring the internet for pictures and clips of this amazingly gorgeous man.

My Twilight-detesting friend spends a lot of time online. Maybe she got caught up in the hate-hype. I never got a chance to ask her if she had actually read the books

I haven't read the Twilight books yet, but I certainly plan to because I've got my sister sourcing them for me. All I know about Twilight is the movie, which I enjoyed in much the same way I enjoy a good yaoi high school drama. I think the story is perfectly suited to a TV series.

I know a little bit about the second movie because I've seen the trailer, but I don't know about the larger picture. I don't know if I'm a fan, either. I may or may not like the books, but I won't know until I read them. I think it's really odd that there are people out there who are ready to classify me as a subhuman for even wanting to!

Anyway, I want to read 'em because I'm into vampires. Both Dracula and Buffy came and went, and my feelings for vampires didn't change. After Twilight goes, I'm pretty sure I'll still be into vampires! Unless an anti-Twilight mob with torches and pitchforks catches me alone in a blind alley one dark night...

That was time well spent!

You have to approach the Twilight series as what it is: a book written for YA, especially teen age girls. I think it's full of flaws, not the least of which the fact that the heroine's only fault is that she's a bit "clumsy." And the hero - well, let's not even start with him :D If it was fanfic, I probably wouldn't read it (unless I knew it was YA to start with). It's not a series full of depth, but, again, enjoyable for what it is, a summer read. And the movies, with Robert Pattinson as the lead, well, that makes for very enjoyable viewing, for sure.

I am a great fan of the Harry Potter series, as you know. Quality of writing aside, I'm fascinated with the world that JKR created. IMHO, Twilight doesn't even get close, but, again, I can understand the appeal because it's a love story with all the teen angst and UST. I've read the books many times and have watched the movies (although I think they are pretty bad in comparison with the books). Will I read Twilight again? Probably not, but I want to see the movies.

And, bottom line is that I agree fully with your live and let live!


In the last few days I've learned that lots of people take issue with the quality of the writing of the Twilight books. That worries me more than anything, because while I can forgive a bad movie or manga, I have more trouble forgiving a bad book. Maybe it's because the visual component of movies and mangas provides a consolation if the story or dialogue is bad. I've read unspeakably bad yaoi mangas whose only redeeming quality was the beautifully rendered art. I'd pretty well watch any movie, telanovella or commercial with Reynaldo Gianecchini in it, no matter how bad it was, just for him!

But I judge writing by a different set of criteria, and there's no sound track or beautiful cinematography to compensate if the writing is sloppy. My sister is coming today with Cool Whip for my jello and the three Twilight books in paperback. I'll start reading early next week, because right now I'm reading another vampire book, Undead and Unemployed. I guess I'll soon find out whether or not I can stand the prose!

The thing that Twilight and Harry Potter have in common is mass appeal, although Harry Potter was much bigger in that respect because although I believe the original target market was older children, the books ended up striking a chord with pretty much every age group. Twilight seems to have a largely young female fanbase.

I'm always interested in deconstructing the elements of mass appeal. It might come in handy some day if I manage to get original work published! I know I'll have a bigger market if I take out the hot mansex. *sigh*

I think it's odd that I mostly write R or NC-17 fanfic, but my original writing hardly ever gets above PG-13 :D

Your mansex is awesome!

Okay, I don't normally comment on your everyday ramblings, but I couldn't resist here. :D

Personally, I love the Twilight series in the books. When my younger brother gave them to me to read, I got hooked. I think I managed to read all 4 books in just over one week. I skipped a lot of food over my lunch breaks during that time, preferring to grab a soda and curl up in the employee lounge to read whatever book I was on at the time.

I didn't care nearly as much for the movies, but they were entertaining enough. Although, really, you have to read the books before you watch the movie, or else the movie itself probably seems kind of stupid. *shrug* Not that it matters. I bought the DVD for Twilight, and I've no doubt I'll go and buy the remainder of the series as it comes out.

*smile* I know a lot of people who think it's stupid, for no better reason than that they didn't ever bother to actually read the books. I've often found that the books are always better than the movies. There are very few exceptions to this.

*shrug* I think you mentioned Harry Potter in the movies you've seen last time, but I'm not positive. I love those books, too, and the movies are just kind of a bonus. I watch them faithfully because, again, I've read all the books beforehand.

Not that what I'm saying here really has anything to do with the argument you and your friend had. Well, okay, argument isn't really the proper word for it, I don't think, but you get the drift. I've always had people who think that something I enjoy is dumb or useless or something along those lines. I usually just roll my eyes at them, tell them to quit trying to burst my bubble, and change the subject. Of course, sometimes I can't resist needling them later about something they like, although I'm careful not to take it too far. Usually, they just roll their eyes at me, then. LOL!

I really do hope you enjoy the books as much as I did when you get a chance to read them. Personally, I thought they were fabulous!

Well, I'm really looking forward to reading them. I'm going to get them today at around eleven am. Thanks for commenting! It's nice to hear from someone who loved the books.

So far, all I've seen is the movie, but it cast a pleasant spell on me and made me want more. I hope the books have the same effect.

I like your technique of saying "Quit trying to burst my bubble." That really quite effectively tells people what they're doing. Maybe they'll ask themselves in a corner of their minds, "Why do I WANT to burst her bubble?"



*giggle* From what I'm reading, looks like I'm the only fan of the books who has commented. Although, I do agree, you can tell that they are written for young adults, but that didn't dim my enthusiasm in the least.

Of course, I'll admit, I'm the odd one out in my family. Anime, vampires, manga, almost anything fantasy, and Farscape. *shrug* Nobody else in my family is interested in any of it, except for perhaps my one brother, who has a habit of borrowing my books, both regular and manga, all the time. Although for some reason, he avoids most of my yaoi series (except FAKE, which he thoroughly enjoyed). LOL.

Actually, I first seriously got into vampires when I started reading Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake series, although I also enjoyed 'Demon in My View' by Amelia Atwater-Rhodes, which is also in the YA section of most bookstores. :) Now that one is a quick read!

Regardless, I really do hope you enjoy the books, and that they meet your expectations. I'd take westwardlee's advice, 'cause it's quite sound, actually. I knew it was YA going in, and I still thoroughly enjoyed it. Of course, most of the time, YA and manga are all I really have time to read. Anything more in-depth and complicated that would actually make me think has been put to the wayside, simply because I don't have time to sit down and put myself in the correct mindset for a thought-provoking, or vividly detailed, book.

Again, I really really hope you enjoy the series. Have you started already with the first one? Be sure to let us know what you think once you've read it, okay? Happy reading!


Yes, I certainly will take Westward Lee's advice. I'm not expecting the Twilight series to be deep, profound, or particularly realistic. I'll be reading with a willing suspension of disbelief. I thought the movie was very much a product for teenagers, but hey, I read and enjoy all kinds of books. For the last couple of months, I've been reading children's books, meticulously researched historical fiction, and literature.

I'm currently reading a funny and irreverent vampire novel called Undead and Unemployed that features a snarky vampire heroine trying to adjust to her new life as one of the undead. When I finish that one, I intend to settle down with the first Twilight novel. I'll certainly let you know how I feel about it!

It's interesting that your brother enjoyed Fake, but not the others. Did he tell you why? Has he seen the OVA?

Hm.
I agree in live and let live, and to agree to disagree. However, I do take issue with anyone telling me that my interest or pleasure in something, like a novel or film, is wrong or misguided, or heaven forbid, stupid. That just isn't nice, and I find it really offensive and unnecessary.

For example, my sister LOVES Sean Connery the best as James Bond. I don't understand this because he happens to give me the creeps. But each to his own, right? I am not a James Bond fan in general.

I have no desire to watch Twilight. But this doesn't mean that I have anything against vampires, or people who are 'into' vampires (heck, there's lots of vamp fanfic out there). My lack of interest does not give me the right to talk meanly about the subject, or about those who happen to enjoy it. I happen to adore the Lord of the Rings novels, but I've met plenty of folks who have no interest in them whatsoever.

While I prefer to discuss my various interests with like-minded folk, I will not debate my rationale with those who feel otherwise. I don't like conflict, and I don't need them to agree with me!

So, you can love Twilight, my sister can love Sean Connery, I can love hobbits and Middle Earth, and your friend can hate vampire-related pop culture.

Just don't excoriate me because we don't see eye-to-eye. Excoriate is a fantastic word, yes?

Thanks for discussing this, Brit. It has made me take a closer look at my own biases, too.

Thank you, sweetie! My feelings are your feelings on this issue, except you stated it better and more succinctly than I did.

The only difference between us is that I am willing to debate or discuss pros and cons with people, but not if there's passion or personal feeling involved. It has to be an exercise of the mind, not the emotions. Like you, I don't enjoy conflict. Some people do (Dee, for example)but not you and me!

And yes, 'excoriate' is a fantastic word. I like the way it rolls off my tongue. Excoriate, excoriate. It creates a vivid picture in my mind. With the 'x' sound, I picture a whip or something like that landing on a bare back, the emphasized syllable 'cor' is the burst of agony, and the hard 't' of the last syllable is the consciousness of the cut, the damage. This little image flashes through my mind in a fraction of a second every time I encounter that word. God, I love the English language!


I always joke that vocabulary is my middle name, hehe! And I love your icon. But now, with your fine definition of 'excoriate,' some strange thoughts have entered my mind....

J.J. as the ex.cor.ia.ted servant of ancient tyrants, stripped naked, and sent to the slave markets. There he is purchased by Drake for a catamite. But circumstances begin to change when Drake falls in love with him. Eeep.

Yes, I am nutz! *blushes*

Poor JJ, standing naked in the slave market, with nothing to look forward to except a life of catamitery (I'm pretty sure that's not an actual word). Now, why would a good-looking Roman (or Greek) citizen like Drake need a sex slave? Does he want to do nasty things that regular Roman boys from good families won't go for? Does he have a whole harem of catamites already? Does he have female slaves too? Or is he too shy to get a regular boyfriend/girlfriend? Is Drake going to purchase JJ himself, or will one of Drake's friends/relatives purchase him as a gift for Drake? Will he purchase him out of pity or desire? This is me stirring the pot!


You thought I was succinct? Hooray! It took me about five years to get my response right. Lol

I do feel passionately about many things, but I don't think I have the backbone to debate/discuss pros and cons smartly because I tend to get too emotional. Like, why I think it's important to have pets spayed or neutered. But that's another convo altogether!

Oh, yes, Dee is an excellent example of someone who LOVES conflict - Ryo is more like us, I think.

Thank you, sweetie. Have a good weekend. And is your icon the 'stress relieving squirrel massage?' That is so adorable!

*hugs*

Actually, that icon in its original form was a moving one, like a little animation. When I tried to grab it, it stopped moving. I wish I knew how to have an animated icon. It was cuter when the squirrels were moving.

I agree with you about having pets spayed and neutered! One hundred percent.

Yes, succinct is exactly the word. I am rarely able to be succinct myself. It's just not one of my talents. My conscious mind decides to write a story that's about ten chapters, but my subconscious follows its own plan, which goes something like this: 'Why write in ten chapters what could be written in 44, plus an epilogue and a sequel?'

Hum, guess I’m one of the rarities – I have no interest in Twilight at all. Really, I have no interest in vampires. The only movie that even raised a bit of interest was Underworld (2003), and by the end even that was pushing it. The running joke around here is that only gay vampires sparkle. I’ve seen one too many mangas, I guess. Either that or I’m a miserable old biddy; I grew up with Bela Lugosi as Dracula. I'm embarrassed to admit it, but as a child I thought he was hot.

I do understand your annoyance with the, “I’m right, you’re wrong” mentality. I’ve always tried to live by the rule, ‘my rights end where yours begin – and your rights end where mine begin’. Anything I say to others, especially when in disagreement, I judge by the phrase, ‘is it true, is it kind, is it helpful?’ If I can’t say yes to all three, then I rethink my wording. And I can think of a few conversations we’ve had where I’ve typed, ‘we agree to disagree’. I don’t automatically expect you to accept my views, and am pleasantly surprised when you do.

This is one of the main reasons that I am a hardcore lurker. I’ve had enough conflict in my past to avoid either purposely or accidentally igniting any more.

I think if more people asked themselves ‘is it true, is it kind, is it helpful?’ before speaking, the world would be a better place. I should do that myself. Sometimes I get two out of three, other times only one out of three. The kind part is the easiest for me (though not always a shoe-in), but whether or not a thing is true or helpful can be quite subjective. I know I've inadvertently hurt people's feelings in the past. It's too bad, because I really don't want to. But sometimes what a person wants from me is something I can't give, and when I can't give it, they get hurt. Or I give them something else, something that I think is better for them than what they want,(for example, someone wants me to confirm for them that it's okay if they embark on or continue on a self-destructive path, and I not only can't give them that confirmation, but state that I think their choice is harmful) and then they get hurt or upset. As you know, I have a painfully colorful RL!

Each human interaction requires one or more judgment calls. I'm better at making them than I was in my younger days, but I still manage to put my foot in it from time to time.

I consider what happened the other day with my friend to be a learning experience. It reminded me of a lesson I had previously learned that was fading slightly and needed a refresher, and it reconfirmed for me something that I don't want to do to others.

...Bela Lugosi? Okay, I gotta go check him out and see if I can detect any shreds of hotness!

Hotness? Not a shred. But to a 7 year old who couldn't stand westerns (most popular thing around at the time besides musicals - early 50s), Dracula was hypnotically awesome. I think it was the cape! I'm a sucker for a cape. Preferably with nothing on under it.

I have to agree with you about the lack of hotness. I looked at some stills and a youtube scene, but nada. Those nasty, clawlike fingernails were the clincher.

I was deliciously terrified of Dracula when I was eleven years old. I used to draw a cross on my throat with felt pen before going to sleep, a habit which caused my family no end of amusement. My fear was vaguely sexual. I was both thrilled and horrified at the thought of a powerful and mesmerizing being without morals who could do whatever he wanted and couldn't be stopped by mere mortals.

Needless to say, neither Dracula nor any of his minions ever bothered to come to my house, so I grew up unmolested by vampires. My fascination endures, however.

Twilight fans scare me

What is it about Twilight that makes people go berserk? I haven't even heard of Twilight until last year when a friend of mine told me it was an amazing series. So being curious (and seeing it in the discount bin at my book store) I decided to buy it and read it later. This was around the time that the movie came out and I felt a little guilty promising to see the movie while still haven't read the actual book (is that weird? I feel like I did some injustice to the Author). Regardless she seemed so excited to see the movie that I got caught up in her excitement and agreed to go opening night, which I despise because my phobia of crowds triggers my phobia of touch (I know I have problems). I've been to the opening night of the first Harry Potter movie and thought I was prepared for this 'adventure' but driving to that theater and seeing the crowd made the shakes and small gagging start; but I pushed it aside, telling myself I could do this... Until we actually got into that line. I have never seen so many fans dressed up as sluts and very badly made up vampires before in my life. I can deal with obsessed fans (I go to Star Trek conventions!) but these people terrified me! Having someone literally tell you they'll "fuck you up" if you don't like the movie strikes me as a little too rabid and delusional.
The few scenes in the movie I was able to relax long enough to enjoy were great; but to this day I still can't read the first damn book because all I can visualize is that massive crowd of hyped up fans.
It's nice to be able to converse with certain people on the movie but I understand when it seems like you're setting yourself up for a beat-down. I love debates as much as the next person but sometimes it just gets too much that I have to be the person to gently remind them "Alright, calm down, it's just a book/movie/show remember?"

Re: Twilight fans scare me

Having someone literally tell you they'll "fuck you up" if you don't like the movie strikes me as a little too rabid and delusional.

That's absolutely amazing to me. I just don't understand the thinking process behind someone ordering someone else to like something. At best, a fake temporary compliance can be achieved; at worst it's going to start a fight. It's almost like those goons that are stationed at voting polls in countries inexperienced with Democracy. "Vote for my candidate or I'll beat you with this here club."

I've never had an experience like the one you described at the movie theater, probably because I hate crowds so much that even when I want to see a particular movie at the theater, I always wait a few weeks until the hype dies down.

The sequel to Twilight will apparently be in theaters in October, and you know, I was thinking about breaking my own rule and going to it on opening night, but after reading your comment, I've changed my mind! Make sure you have ironclad Other Plans on opening night so your Twilight-loving friend will be forced to find someone else to go with!

The whole subject of Twilight is now on my list of dangerous conversation topics to be avoided with RL friends. With my online friends, I think it would be okay, though, especially after this post! Unless somebody snaps... It's never fun when somebody snaps!

I can understand where you are coming from. It's like that with my family but not about vampires but about God, Jesus, your soul, races, among other things. For part of my family it's like you have to agree with them or you damn your soul, I believe in God and Jesus and that is as far as I go. For my dad's side it goes further. I keep an open mind and listen to their side of everything while trying to get my side across, though most of the time it doesn't work. Not many keep an open mind, I had to almost give up a discussion but I got my grandfather to agree to disagree which was hard to do. The other part is mainly my stepfather who is trying to control who I talk to, hang out with, among others things, but I can't get a word in with him without him snapping at me with his short temper. Anyway, just wanted to let you know that you're not the only one with problems of people not caring about others opinion. By the way I love Twilight!

...And another Twilight lover weighs in!

When a person is young, it's so hard to get taken seriously, and I believe it's worse for females. Your family is probably really worried that you'll go to hell if you don't believe exactly the same things they do and turn yourself against exactly the same things they think are wrong and dangerous. I admire the fact that you're trying your best to stay true to yourself while keeping an open mind and listening to them. It shows that you're able to be kind and open minded, even when you're surrounded by people who don't believe that you have the right to your own opinions.

So far I'm enjoying the first of the Twilight novels, but the movie is still very much in my head. I haven't gotten that far into it yet because I've been working hard on Chapter 3 of Justice. It's with the betas as of today.

Thanks for commenting on my LJ and best of luck with your stepfather!

I saw Twilight last year with a friend to celebrate her birthday, and now we often make jokes about it. We're not huge fans, but we don't go around telling people "gods, that sucked and you suck for liking it", we respect others choices, even if we don't agree.

I think what helped my friend lose interest aside from sparkle-sparkle vampires was how Edward was pretty much like "I like you but I might kill you so it would be best if you stayed away from me, oh, but I want to be with you, but what if I should suddenly decide I want to drain your blood?"

But yes, you're right. Discussion and debates are fine, just don't suddenly attack people whose views differ...


I'm definitely a fan of Twilight, but I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan.

I'm not crazy about that sparkling, either, even though I'm happy no one is bursting into flames and burning the whole forest down.

As for your friend's feeling about Edward's "I love you but it's soooo hard for me not to kill you' attitude, I've got more to say about that in my next post.

Thank you for visiting my LJ!

Some of my friends love it (OMG that was like soooooo great! Edward!!!) some hate it (That book AND show SUCKED!!!!) I choose to say that the idea for the book is nice, but I can live without it.

...but of course I cant tell the friends that love it that. They'd most likely go on a rampage about how I should absolutely love it just like them >.

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